Jon Anderson Interview? Yes, Indeed

Jon Anderson is not one to sit idly waiting for others to act. Not when he’s got at least a thousand plates spinning simultaneously. OK, that was a not-so-clever attempt to weave in the reason why we’re meeting in a midtown Manhattan hotel to talk about his 2019 studio album, 1000 Hands.

To call it a solo album would be a disservice to the scores of guest musicians who perform on it, including, notably, Yes’ late bassist Chris Squire, as well as the band’s longtime guitarist Steve Howe and drummer Alan White, plus keyboardist Rick Wakeman and guitarist Trevor Rabin (the Yes alums with whom Anderson has been performing for several years).

Anderson was born October 25, 1944, and his voice sounds just as good as it did nearly five decades earlier on such classic rock favorites as Close to the Edge, “Yours is No Disgrace” and “Roundabout.”

The singer, songwriter and musician opened up about his years with Yes, including what was often a revolving door of its lineup and of the “fear factor,” as he describes it, of doing another “Roundabout.” He also talked about the inspiration for and development of the band’s epic album, Close to the Edge, and memories of its first live performance.

Anderson also discussed the group’s surprise #1 single, of hyperventilating during Yes’ induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s Class of 2017 and his own musical inspirations.

Best Classic Bands: Let’s look back at Yes, particularly the early years from 1969-1974. Given your output, it looks like a non-stop cycle of album-tour-writing…

Jon Anderson: Yes, slaves to the rhythm. Slaves to the machine.

It just happens. It’s very simple. You work with musicians–and I’d already been in bands for five years before I started Yes with Chris. So I knew what I was looking for. I had heard so much music at that time, from Zappa to Hendrix to the Beatles, of course. Jimmy Webb’s songwriting. I was a big fan of Randy Newman, big fan of his writing. So when me and Chris sat together for the first time ever we talked about Paul Simon’s songwriting. So when you start rehearsing, recording, you never think you’re gonna make a record. You just want to rehearse the band, get on the road and do gigs.

The band had a lot of turnover. Why was that?

During the course of those first couple of albums there was this sort of imbalance within the band. You spot it, you feel it. You hope it’s gonna evolve. You talk about it and stuff. And then when you know it’s not gonna work, you’ve got to change one of the guys. It’s never easy, because you thought you were just gonna get on with it. If something’s not working, it’s very simple, I think, as to why things aren’t working. It’s a logical thing so you change and you find somebody else.

And that lifts you up. Instead of just being a band, you’re spending a lot of time thinking and worrying. Are you going to be able to survive? Because it’s not flowing as one. And you bring in the guitarist, Steve Howe, and all of a sudden we’re locked in [makes swoosh sound] and I’ve got somebody else to sing with and we’ve got a guy who can actually play [classical guitar like famed Spanish musician] Rodrigo. This guy can play jazz and rock and everything.

So the door opens there and you go through a period of time again and all of a sudden The Yes Album happens and then you’re going on big tours and, again, you notice there’s an imbalance again throughout the tour because one of the guys isn’t quite up to scratch. And it’s just the way it is.

So, at the end of that tour, I remember I was on the plane coming home and Steve and Chris came over and said, “Look, Tony Kaye… great guy.” But, you know, we’d just seen Rick Wakeman about a month earlier. And I said, “There’s that Rick Wakeman guy,” and we’ve got to get on with life and move on, you know, rather than keep going on, set in the same circle. And that’s what happens with a band.

Why do you think Yes’ makeup was different from other bands of that era?

I think it’s very simple, that we weren’t all from the same town. Where most bands… The Animals were from Newcastle. The Beatles were from Liverpool. The Hollies were from Manchester. The Stones were built in London. We were from every different direction. So I don’t think we had that same camaraderie that one gets from being from the same town. Bill [Bruford] was a jazz fanatic. So when we’d done what I thought was a groundbreaking album, Close to the Edge, and Bill said, “I’m leaving,” that broke my heart. Because I thought, “What’s wrong with us?” (laughs) I must’ve spent hours thinking, “What’s wrong with us?”

But it was the right thing. Because at that time, he wasn’t happy, you know? So we got Alan White and it was like a joy to behold! This guy, who actually played with John Lennon! It’s like gods are shining light on us. And then we just got on with work and stuff.

Those albums were tremendously successful.

It’s interesting, on reflection; it was never an easy road for the band. I think there was a fear factor that I haven’t really spoken about but I will, probably, from now on. I was worried that if we went and did another “Roundabout,” that would be the end of the band. There would be no adventure within the band because it was all pertaining to what the record company wanted. Because they said, “What’s the next album about?”

You had a hit album and a hit single.

The management and the record company wanted us to do another “Roundabout” album. And I said, “Far from it; I’m moving on. Mentally, musically, I don’t really care.” And we did Close to the Edge and we toured Close to the Edge the same year [1972-73]. Fragile and Close to the Edge were done in the same 12-month span. The band was kicking, really doing great. And it was only natural to just keep going. It was a bunch of guys saying, “Us against the world.” I think every band does that. I don’t want to hear what the record company wants. I know they give us money. I know we make money for them. But we want to do some great stuff, some adventurous music. “Yeah, but you’ll lose all your audience.” “We’ll find a new one.” You’ve got to keep going. You can’t just back down now. We set ourselves up to a certain degree. “Oh, OK then. We’ll just do an album with short songs on it…” (sighs)

Was this Atlantic Records U.K.? Or was it Atlantic founder Ahmet Ertegun?

It was management. Ahmet was always really cool about everything. Ahmet was a very strong father figure for me. I lost my father just at the beginning of Yes starting. I had a very happy relationship with Ahmet. He understood it.

How did you get inspired to write Close to the Edge?

I always wonder if people who listen to my music ever got into Sibelius. Sibelius’ music is so Earth Mother. It’s so organic. It was created 100 years ago and it survives because it transcends the norm of classical music… Handel, Beethoven… Each composer had their moment. Sibelius never had his moment.

I had been listening to Sibelius on tour and I had been reading Lord of the Rings. And that’s what I did. I didn’t go out after shows. I’d go back to my room, listen to Sibelius, and read. And then there was this one time, I found this cassette. I played the Sixth Symphony, a lovely pastoral piece of music, and then I played the Seventh and I was reading—I remember it very vividly—I was reading Lord of the Rings, and I said, “Wait a minute… that music just finished and I don’t remember it starting.” So I played it again. And for the life of me, I couldn’t figure out the theme. “Where’s the theme? There’s no theme.” And then I realized, wait a minute, here it is. After three minutes, the main theme’s coming through and it’s a trombone solo. And I thought, “Oh, my God!” I couldn’t believe it. How did he get to there and then back again? And then for the rest of the tour, I studied 7th Symphony and that’s why I wanted to do Close to the Edge.

It was that moment in time, probably right in the middle of the Fragile tour, that I said, “Steve, come here. Bring your guitar, quick! I’ve got this idea!” I remember we had a break in London and I went over to his house in Hamstead and he’s singing “Close to the edge, round by the corner… ” (continues humming)

And I said, “No… Down at the edge, round by the river… Seasons will pass you by.” (singing) And I said, “Another chord: ‘I get up, I get down…’” And we spent all afternoon scribbling out the structure ideas. See, by then, I sort of realized that if I can be carried by 26 or 27 minutes by a piece of music—without a break, that was the thing—then we can do that. Because, why not?

How did concert audiences react to it when it was new?

I remember when we first performed it, it was frightening because we were opening on a show in London. It was Elton John and Mahavishnu Orchestra, and we were gonna perform it for the first time. And at that point, I don’t think it had been released. So we played it, and not only could you hear a pin drop, you could hear crickets! It felt like twice as long. The middle section… it just felt too long! And you could hear that sort of rustle in the crowd. “Come back… it’s OK!” (laughs) But that was all in my mind.

Watch Yes perform “Close to the Edge” in 1972 at London’s Rainbow Theatre

Do you remember what happened when you finished? “Play ‘Roundabout’!”

(laughs) I had gotten to know Billy Cobham by then and he said, “Well, that was a monster.” And I wondered, “What does he mean?” And then we went on tour in America and within two weeks it was happening. It takes two weeks to warm it up.

My first Yes concert was the Close to the Edge tour at Madison Square Garden. I didn’t realize until recently that was your MSG debut.

Twenty-thousand people not saying… (whispers) anything. And the dry ice coming up.

Ahmet came to see us. You couldn’t hear a pin drop for 20 minutes as we played that magic and I said, “Isn’t it magic?” It wasn’t a rave-up. It wasn’t a dance thing. It was just listening to music. As much as the audiences were intent on listening, we were intent on playing and performing it to the highest standard, ’cause it was—and still is—musically very challenging.

You can’t just walk out and say, “Let’s do Close to the Edge.” It’s a challenging piece of music.

Let’s skip ahead to “Owner of a Lonely Heart.” 

When 90125 was happening, we knew it was going to be a hit, because management and the record company said, “It’s going to be a hit.” “How do we know?” “Well, we’ll make it a hit. Don’t worry.” In the back of my mind, I kept saying: “It’s [“OOALH”] like ‘La Bamba.’ It’s the same chord sequence! Just as a joke, you know. But it never went down very well whenever I said it. But it is “La Bamba.” (starts humming the chords of “Owner of a Lonely Heart” and sings “para bailer la bamba”)

When I first heard it, I didn’t think “#1 single.”

No, it was great production. Very unique. Trevor Horn had done this album, Duck Rock, by Malcolm McLaren. It’s a really good album with a lot of sampling. So when he started working with Yes and Chris—I came in toward the end—this just hit me right in the face. I’m thinking, “This is so hip, so progressive, it’s gonna be a hit.”

I just re-watched your lovely acceptance speech at Yes’ Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction.

I was hyperventilating. It’s crazy to get up in front of 10,000 people.

What about 17,000 or 25,000…

Yeah, but that’s when you know you’re coming on stage. But when you’ve been sitting there waiting to go up and thinking, “What am I going to say and what if I forget to say something?” And I got up and I couldn’t say it properly. “You’re so beautiful! You’re so beautiful!” But then obviously Rick stole the show. It was perfect.

Watch Anderson, Rabin, White, Howe and Wakeman make their induction speeches

You acknowledged Little Richard, Bill Haley and Stevie Wonder.

I’ve been with my wife to the Hall, it was fantastic and it was just great to see Little Richard there and Bill Haley and Stevie Wonder and now (whispers) we’re there.

Related: We also spoke with Anderson about his Olias of Sunhillow solo album and much more

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Best Classic Bands Founder/CEO Greg Brodsky earned his first professional bylines as a reporter for the music trade weekly Record World. He still has all his vinyl albums and enjoys going to flea markets and garage sales to grow his collection.

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